Monday, April 27, 2009

Why is this flu different from all the others?

posted by The Vidiot @ 8:29 AM Permalink

Bump and Update below.

I'm sure you've heard about the flu epidemic in Mexico City (it's not a pandemic until it goes global). Last I read, 800 ill and 60 dead so far. That's a 10% kill rate. It's no Captain Tripps, but it's significant.

But why is it so weird and suspicious?
The new Mexican Swine Flu has elements of DNA from the following: avian flu, human flu Type A, human flu Type B, Asian swine flu, and European swine flu. A strange combination never seen before and having less than 1/10% chance of being a natural event. Human and animal viruses from four or more continents suddenly recombine in a new flu during a non-flu season that spreads from human-to-human with a 10% fatality rating.
It's pretty amazing, from a biological standpoint really. It's hard not to think there's a conspiracy. Could it be a government depopulation plan? Or just a pharmaceutical company wanting to rake in a few extra bucks? It's easy to 'go there' when there's a 1/10% chance of a natural occurrence of the strain.
Update: Other websites are trying to remind folks that the world lost 40 microbiologists in 4 years (2001-2005) to mostly mysterious circumstances. Additionally, a commenter below mentioned that the farm where they suspect the flu originated is US owned.
All I remember from my biochemistry classes is that viruses are incredibly interesting buggers. I remember thinking at the time that if someone were clever enough, they could program a virus to do whatever they wanted. I was just very naive. I couldn't imagine anyone using a virus for nefarious reasons. I'm not saying that this virus is bioengineered, but it's not out of the realm of possibility

For one thing, just because the strain here in the US is milder than in Mexico doesn't mean we'll not get hit with something worse. Additionally, with all the microbiologist deaths, the recent scandal involving the 'accidental' shipment of live virus to various labs by a pharmaceutical company, well, it's not hard to imagine that either the virus is evolving or worse, was designed to target a genetic group. Someone on a forum posted a Wayne Madsen Report that said it is definitely bioengineered. What was posted was only a blurb:
According to two mainstream media journalists, one in Mexico City and the other in Jakarta, who spoke to WMR on background, they are convinced that the current outbreak of a new strain of swine flu in Mexico and some parts of the United States is the result of the introduction of a human-engineered pathogen that could result in a widespread global pandemic, with potentially catastrophic consequences for domestic and international travel and commerce.

The journalists have been told by top officials of the United Nations and the World Health Organization (WHO) about the grave dangers posed by the new and deadly swine flu strain, known as A-H1N1. The flu, never before seen by scientists, has already killed up to 68 people in Mexico and has forced the cancellation of public events, including sports matches and concerts, and the closure of schools, libraries, and museums. Eight cases have been reported in Texas and California and one Texas family is already under a quarantine. Doctors are examining several students at a Queens high school in New York who displayed symptoms similar to those experienced by swine flu patients in Mexico.

Our Mexico City source said a top scientist for the United Nations, who has examined the outbreak of the deadly Ebola virus in Africa, as well as HIV/AIDS victims, concluded that H1N1 possesses certain transmission "vectors" that suggest that new flu strain has been genetically-manufactured as a military biological warfare weapon. The UN expert believes that Ebola, HIV/AIDS, and the current A-H1N1 swine flu virus are biological warfare agents.
Madsen's track record is sporadic at best. He may or may not be a government disinfo guy. I'm just including it here so you can see what's being said out there. The end of the article cites Tamiflu and Relenza as effective treatments, both of which are products made by large companies with lots of government connections, which makes me think that this is disinfo. But that's for you to decide.

Update 2: I was just thinking that maybe it's not as big a deal here in the US because it's a third or fourth generation infection. Maybe the virus can only be transferred to 2 or 3 people and then just sort of loses its steam down the line. That's not all that unusual for a virus.

And all the hullabaloo in the media is, as usual, for naught.



At 1:42 PM, Blogger nunya said...

Since 35,000 people die in the US every year of the flu, I'm gonna go with your latter guess, and here's why:

Venture capital firm set to reap rewards on swine flu
Fri Apr 24, 2009 11:11pm BST

Rumsfeld may still own Gilead stock

At 7:20 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Possible source of the outbreak is a pig farm run by U.S. company in Mexico City, though no one knows how h1ni developed into human to human contact type virus.

At 7:41 AM, Blogger The Vidiot said...

I had heard that there was a pig farm they had traced it to, I hadn't heard that it was run by a US company.

Only time will tell if this whole thing is a big deal or not. This may fizzle out to be much ado about nothing. But viruses have a way of laying around a few months and then reemerge with a bigger and badder agenda.

At 12:39 PM, Blogger Bill Arnett said...

I think the UN is correct. If this is a bioengineered virus and made to strike certain countries and its people it won't take too long to figure out its main target group.

I go see all my doctors tomorrow and I know they'll tell me to get a flu shot. I haven't bothered for years, but I may just take their advice and get a shot IF it covers this multi-strain virus.

They still haven't figured out how to outright slay viruses yet have they? Bacteria yes. but not viruses.

BTW, anyone seen any reference to this flu hitting the Middle East?

If this is man-made I hope the government finds and kills anyone and everyone involved 'cept I figure the government would put them on the payroll - if they aren't already on it.

At 1:41 PM, Blogger The Vidiot said...

They probably already ARE on the payroll.

Any flu shot you get now would be ineffective. They won't have a vaccine for this until the fall and by then, if it is as bad as it could be, it will probably have mutated and that vaccine will be ineffective as well. But I'm no doctor. This is just what my gut tells me. You have such a compromised immune system, a flu shot might not be the worst thing for you.

I have not heard boo about it being in the middle east yet. If it is bioengineered towards Latin Americans, then that would tell me it's been orchestrated by the more right wing/immigration fearing parts of our government.

At 1:42 PM, Blogger The Vidiot said...

I mean, who else would have it out for Mexicans?


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